WE DO LIVE IN A POLICE STATE SIR.. If u think we r free in this country u r str8 retarted.
They might as well call this country Nazi America..
Thanks to today's society, video games and movies and pure ignorance... people can let their kids run around with replica assault rifles... Even when school and public shootings are becoming a almost more than a annual event. That toy was made to look exactly like a real ak-47. They make replica airsoft guns that even have real accessories on them. Now days everywhere else outside of our peaceful bubble we call America (even occasionally inside of our peacefull bubble) 12 year old boys pick up ak-47's that look exactly like Andy's toy gun and kill people. I have held, handled and operated many ak-47s including airsoft replicas and the only difference is the replicas don't go bang and shoot lethal projectiles. I would like to see all of you who slander the officer involved imagine yourself in simular situations and think what comes to mind... Your family to go home too? Your partners family to go home too? Or sit there and try to figure out when that person is going to raise their weapon and shoot you even after you gave them proper task direction to do so. Good luck with those few seconds of decion making. Unfortunately deadly force is the hardest decision to make no matter how experienced you are. Unfortunately there are plenty of cops who die because they made a different decision and waited 1 second to long and got shot to death... I guess no one or the media cares about those stories. My heart bleeds for Andy's parents and the officer who had to make that decision to shoot an innocent child and deal with that for the rest of his life. Shame on all of you folks and immature kids who live in Disney land slandering these people who protect you from all the real violence and fun things that go on right outside your border. Maybe you should go live in one of the many places where the cops actually just shoot, rape and slaughter people on a daily basis for kicks and thrills because their cartel police boss told them to do so. Back back to playing grand theft auto in your bubble.
This guy is an accident waiting to happen...............again. What is going to be next? He should be cut off from any public salary NOW! He is a liability and walking time bomb.
We are denied justice....Only those that they want are under charged...Others have L.E's., whom carry a felony "leaded paddle." L.E's making falsehoods and sending innocent victims to prison have occurred...L.E.'s shooting up a homeowners master bedroom ceiling with a .308 Browning BLR rifle and making felony falsehoods to cover up the incident is the norm....This is Sonoma County....The year 2013 D.A. Jill Ravitch covers up torture, mayhem, and paralysis for life...And now the State Attorney General has appointed a Napa D.A. that is undercharging a sexual crime in under ware from a prowling suspect under the influence....Politics in California has overruled, "justice."
CA PC 647 (i) Who, while loitering, prowling, or wandering upon the private property of another, at any time, peeks in the door or window of any inhabited building or structure, without visible or lawful business with the owner or occupant.
What is the actual code violation for Peeking? Is it PC 647(i) which was the prowling listed on the court calendar?
Why don't you try and do the job? Wait to be fired at first! You are absolutely insane! Do you think cops go to work wanting to discharge their weapons at someone? Absolutely not! Why don't you look at the real problem and that is these companies are allowed to make BB guns, pellet guns, and toy guys look anything similar to a real gun! That's the issue! Get off your soap box and away from the rest of the herd of sheep and look at the fact! Cops don't have to nor should they have to wait to be fired at or attacked before they use the amount of force that is reasonable to maintain control. Yes it is unfortunate that a 13 year old lost his life. If the company that manufactured the BB gun made it look completely different so that anyone even the oblivious could tell it was fake then this wouldn't have happened!
Lorenzo Dumas covers S.C.S.D. officers that force many off the road while driving non-Code three....Don't believe a single word..He has employees that paralyze innocent victims...He is a liar...
This week Santa Rosa, CA made global news! It was a story about a sick community that needs help. A continuing spectacle of the struggle with children and guns in America. Santa Rosa is now the place where cops mistakenly shoot children carrying fake guns.
I've lived in santa rosa for over a year now and one of the things I've gotten used to is that there are always kids around, often playing in the streets till late at night, most of them Latino. Although, since Thursday it has been strangely quiet, kids haven't ventured far from their apartments into the vacant lots or streets where they usually play, yell, and cause trouble.
It's possible that they are scared because one of their classmates was shot by cops after school this week. Maybe they also saw cops chasing one of their older brothers through the apartment playground last weekend, taking him down with no less than 10 automatic weapons pointed at his head while he was handcuffed on the ground in front of them. I imagine it's a scary time to be a kid in my neighborhood.
Many people are asking where the parents where. I see them everyday, leaving for jobs before sunrise and often coming home after 2 in the morning, working in all of the surrounding labor and service industry jobs. Many parents with multiple low wage jobs have to leave their kids home with older siblings or cousins because they need to work. Unfortunately, this leaves the younger kids out in the streets unsupervised while their older siblings stay inside to play video games, learn about drugs, sex, and gangs.
I understand that there is a real problem here with drugs and gangs and also with extremely aggressive police officers. I also understand the concern with seeing anyone with an AK-47 (real or not) walking down the street. This is a complex problem that needs to be addressed, and I believe it may be beyond the capacity of our community and local government to deal with on our own.
How many children have ever played with bb guns, plastic guns, or home made weapons in the fields around their house? It's something we do in America. It scares me to think that kids will continue to kill at schools. It also scares me that cops will start shooting kids for playing guns, especially as halloween approaches and more of them will be out in the streets with plastic weapons....
This story makes me heart-sick. All of the details will be analyzed by those investigating and the public will only hear about the most obvious and least critical details. There is so much that is not published, not shared and can't be rationalized; few people ever hear the whole story unless it goes to a jury.
The debates over 'toy vs. replica' or 'shoot first ask questions later', ultimately are just factors in the more important issue of the lack of communication.
My prayers are with the Lopez family and all others who are feeling pain at the loss of Andy Lopez. My prayers are with the investigators, that they will look into every factor and truly find where justice lies. My prayers are with the officers that if/when they return to duty it will be with a greater sense of diplomacy and compassion.
Jake Bauer, these pigs have no conscience. He'll forget about murdering this poor child as soon as he returns from his paid vacation...
More training needs to be applied. This is happening all over the country. The law officers panicked. How many times was the subject shot? Really? True, it was stupid for the kid to have the repl. gun, but to die for it? Shame on the Sonoma Co. sheriff dept.
Trigger happy thugs, the whole lot. The cops have immunity, so nothing will happen. Free to murder again. Abolish ALL immunity laws and this will stop.
Citizens rise up against immunity laws!!!
Jake Bauer makes good points. I did the same "army play" when I was a kid. There is also the argument that the kid or anyone might be deaf or speak a foreign language. But, the real tragedy of this is that the kid died to what appears to be poorly planned rules of engagement. And for those who say you can't walk down the street with a gun... wrong. I target shoot and hunt from time to time. And, from time to time my weapons need to be worked on. Some times I carry the weapon, with the muzzle pointing in a safe direction. (the muzzle for the few of you who don't seem to know anything about weapons is where the bullet comes out at high speed). Carrying my rifle two blocks down the street because I couldn't get a parking place in front of the gunsmiths shop is perfectly legal as long as its unloaded and/or cased and locked. And, like Jake I was in the military and trained over and over again... do not fire unless fired upon. Having someone point the muzzle of a gun at you is pants wetting scary but... if you're in the military or the police... it comes with the job. Shot first puts you in as much jeopardy as the person carrying the weapon. OH... and the gunsmith doesn't want his shop cluttered up with my gun cases so when I take them in the neighbors can see the gun... and tell its pointed in a safe direction. These cops overreacted and reacted far to quickly.
Actually a real AK47 is illegal in California where this occurred, the officers were correct to stop and determine if there was an issue to be addressed. I'm sure California will now ban look-a-likes also, and honestly, if they are going to ban the real thing, then to keep this from occurring, they should.
This was NOT a "toy" gun. Obviously, since toy guns all have bright orange on them. This was made to be a replica - in other words, it was made to look exactly like the real thing (it probably even has a detachable magazine). There's no way to tell it's not the real thing unless you can actually inspect the mechanisms within it, which obviously the cops couldn't do without touching it.
The boy's parents are to blame. They didn't teach their 13 year-old not to go around holding replica assault rifles while walking down the street. It was an idiot move. And before anyone says 'but he was only 13!', there's a 14 year old being charged as an adult for the murder of his math teacher, and I doubt that most of you think he's just an adorable little child who didn't know any better. His father says the last time he saw his son was Tuesday morning (notice, it's Wednesday), and who knows where his mother was. Why the heck was this kid allowed to carry around a replica AK 47? Where were the adults in his life who should be watching over their 13 year old?
It's not the police's fault - it's stupid to say that police (or military) should have to wait until being fired on - if anyone did that, they would greatly increase their chances of being killed. It's not a fist fight - a bullet hits you, and you're likely to die. And sorry, Jake Bauer, but since when did the military ever wait to be fired on first? If that was policy, then exactly how was there a civil war? Each side would've just looked at one another because each would've been waiting for the other to fire first. More recently, were drones fired on first? Get off it.
It's still leagal in the US to carry a gun (for now), unless they had reason to believe he was causing trouble, they should of left him alone.
The next time a cop gets shot in the face for 'no reason' remember this and all the other incidents where these jerks abuse their authority.
It's not illegal to have a rifle. It IS illegal to murder someone. Execute these buttholes.
The article doesn't make it entirely clear just WHERE the youngster was when ordered to drop the 'weapon'. Certainly kids play with toy guns, that's what they are made for. But where was this youngster at the time and what was he doing? People are, understandably, alarmed and frightened when they see anyone carrying something that looks even remotely like a weapon. In a world where middle school kids kill people that's not unreasonable. Perhaps, in today's world, letting kids HAVE such toys is no longer reasonable.
I think that the officers/police need to adopt the policy from the military , Do not fire unless fired upon, this will designate who is an enemy 100%. I can tell from the picture that this a toy gun. If you ever held an AK47 you know this is a bulky heavy weapon and not easily carried. The officer missed diagnosed the situation because he was not trained properly.
I feel for the parents for their lose, I played with toy guns all the time never did I have an issue with cops or any law enforcement over it.
This officer now has to live with knowing he gunned downed a child because he couldn't tell a toy from the real thing.
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